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  Jehovah's Athiest

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i found this old video on youtube!

  it is the "new" faith called "jehovah's athiests".

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  Island Man

  Jehovah's Atheists would basically be helping people to reason logically to free themselves from the superstitious belief in, and fear of, Jehovah.
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  Jehovah's Athiest

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i found this old video on youtube!

  it is the "new" faith called "jehovah's athiests".

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  Island Man

  How about a presentation like this:

  "Hello, my name is [name], and you are?

  . . .

  Well hello, [householder]. Today we were just asking out neighbors this thought-provoking question and would love to hear your view on it: Is the truth always positive and/or hopeful? Or to put it another way: Can the truth be very negative?

  . . .

  Well that an interesting viewpoint. Let me give you an example:

  A man goes to his doctor for the first time in 10 years after a few years of braving chronic pain. The doctor does his routine checks then something catches the doctor's attention and the doctor sends him to do additional tests. The results come in and the doctor says: 'I'm very sorry, but it doesn't look good. You have very late stage cancer - a particularly aggressive kind of cancer at that. There is nothing we can do for you now except provide palliative care as needed. You have 6 months to live, 1 year if you're exceptionally fortunate - or unfortunate, depending on how you look at it.'

  Now what if that man says:

  'Doctor, what you're telling me does not provide me with any hope. I want to live to see my granddaughter graduate from college. But according to your diagnosis that's impossible. Therefore I refuse to accept your diagnosis in favor of believing I have severe arthritis because that gives me the hope of seeing my granddaughter graduate.'

  Would that be wise reasoning on the man's part? Does the fact that the doctor's diagnosis is very grim and offers no hope, mean that it's not true and should be rejected?

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  Well sir many people today refuse to entertain the the possibility that there is no god. Why? They often reason: 'if there is no god then this life is all there is. If there is no god there is no divine justice for all the oppressors who never faced justice. If there is no god I will never see my deceased mother again. Therefore I refuse to believe that there is no god because I cannot cope with the unpleasant implications of that idea.'

  Is that reasoning much different from that given by the man dying from cancer who denies the truth because it's upleasant?
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  Things You Still Agree With The JWs On

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  aside from obvious things that most people agree on, like theft being wrong and the importance of family, i can't think of a single thing i agree with the jws on, nothing that's specific to their religion anyway.

  do you have any?.

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  Island Man

  Religion is a snare and a racket.

  No one should be forced to worship in a way they do not approve of or be made to choose between their beliefs and their family. (However, the strange thing is that JWs don't agree with themselves on this matter. They're hypocrites)
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  Professions in the Paradise

  by The Real Edward Gentry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we know there will be no money in paradise.

  but there will almost certainly be jobs to do.

  we will be perfect at our jobs but that doesn't mean we will be perfect at every job.

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  Island Man

  There won't be any professions if people lived forever. If you don't have to save for retirement then there's no rush to make as much money as possible to create a nest egg for retirement. If there's no rush to make as much money as possible before retirement then you have a lot more free time on your hand - an eternity. If you have a lot more free time on hand then you can take your time and learn to do anything you want to do so you can do it yourself. There's no rush to do most things because life is very, very, very long, so it will get very, very, very slow-paced to point of being torturously boring.
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  Isiah 65:17 (Memory wipe?)

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “for behold, i create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.. i need some help with this please guys and gals.

  what is this implying?

  god will wipe those past memories, the past system of things from our minds?

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  Island Man

  Reminds me of a joke:

  Snarky JW 1: "Bro. Mischief, we will really miss you when we get into the new system" (Implying Bro. Mischief won't make it. lol.)

  Bro. Mischief: "I wish I could say the same about you. From my position in heaven I bet I'll get to see you every day."

  Snarky Elder JW: "Snarky JW 1, how can you say such a thing? . . . Everyone knows that in the new system the former things will not be called to mind - You can't miss someone you won't remember."
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  Isiah 65:17 (Memory wipe?)

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “for behold, i create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.. i need some help with this please guys and gals.

  what is this implying?

  god will wipe those past memories, the past system of things from our minds?

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  Island Man

  "things are so good we no longer dwell on the past pains."

  They must be recalled with a certain measure of displeasure or loathing in order for the lesson of the failure of human rule directed by Satan, to have any real staying power in the hearts of all intelligent creatures.

  To illustrate my point, think of the difference between intellectually knowing that hurricanes cause death and destruction, without the pain of experiencing it yourself; and actually experiencing it yourself. Many people in the former position, say they would like to experience a hurricane. But none - or very few - in the latter position would say so. The difference - having painful memories associated with hurricanes.

  So if people in the "new world" do not remember the trials of the old world with some measure of pain, it would be easy for them to go back to rebelling.
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  Can someone tell me why Joan's ark and the flood not true and impossible?

  by Gokumonkey in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey everyone.

  i have a question and i hope i'm not confusing this with something else i heard.

  while watching ex jw videos on youtube many of them talk about how noah's ark and the flood didn't happen and it's impossible.

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  Island Man

  A global flood 5000 years ago would have left very striking tell-tale signs in Earth's geology - worldwide! - yet no such ubiquitous geological evidence can be seen.

  However, there is evidence that there was a major (mega) tsunami in the Mediterranean region in late prehistoric times. This event could be the very small kernel of truth that inspired the global flood legends that pervade the area.
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  If we just suddenly start talking to DFed people again and use the Canada court video as our argument, what would happen?

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jw lawyer clearly stated that disfellowshipping only applies to spiritual association, but everyday family contact is ok..

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  Island Man

  JW elder: "Where did you get that video, Isambard? Have you been visiting apostate sites? How do you even know that video is legitimate? We get our direction from Jehovah's Organization - not from apostate sites or lawyers. What Bible based direction has the Faithful and Discreet Slave given pertaining to the treatment of disfellowshipped ones? Why would you choose to ignore their direction in favor of what is said on a video of questionable origin and legitimacy? Isambard, you need to readjust your thinking. Right now you're treading on dangerous ground."
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  Jesus and Satan’s Hilly hike

  by EverApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i got an inspiration to create this topic as a subset of another topic.

  satan in heaven.. as per the bible,the devil took jesus to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

  below is a reference from another critic.

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  Island Man

  The Earth is supported against the gravity of the Sun, and not falling into it,

  Forgive my pedantry, but actually, the Earth is falling toward the sun. It wouldn't be orbiting the Sun if it wasn't. Orbit is achieved when the speed of horizontal movement parallel to the surface of the star or planet you're orbiting is such that the rate at which you're falling toward the planet or star equals the rate at which the surface of the planet of star is curving down away from you.

  Centrifugal force does not apply to orbiting because the orbiting body isn't fixed to the object it's orbiting. If you speed up the forward speed of the earth it will just orbit further away from the sun or leave orbit altogether.

  And the Bible's statement that the Earth is hanging on nothing is totally wrong because the Earth isn't hanging at all. The earth is hurtling through space in a corkscrew motion. It is orbiting around the sun and the sun in turn is orbiting the galaxy in a plane that is perpendicular to the earth's plane of orbit around the sun. When you combine the two motions the earth is making a corkscrew path through space.
  
  
  
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  not a new topic - really a pet peave

  by Moster in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  makes me crazy:.

  there: go over there!.

  their: they own it; belonging to etc.. for the love of pete - use them correctly!.

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  Island Man

  'phoned in over the years to point out it "should have been called Pedant's Corner "

  Actually is should be Pedants' Corner (apostrophe after the s)